Wednesday, April 23, 2008

17 Behaviors to Avoid for Effective Listening

Growing bigger ears isn't just about what you DO.

It's also about what you DON'T DO.

1. Don’t react.
Respond coolly, objectively and non-judgmentally.

2. Don’t think.
Just perceive without interpreting or labeling.

3. Don’t perform.
Because some people view listening as a performance.

4. Don’t tell someone not to feel a certain way.
This cheats her out of having her feelings.

5. Don’t get bored.
Because that means you’re focusing on the wrong person ☺

6. Don’t take over.
Instead, take IN the other person.

7. Don’t tell.
Instead, ask. (But not too many questions!)

8. Don’t give advice.
Unless someone asks for it.

9. Don’t usurp ownership.
Let the other person give birth to their ideas and realizations.

10. Don’t inflict your agenda.
Because listening isn’t about you.

11. Don’t one-up.
It’s a form of conversational narcissism.

12. Don’t use the other person’s comments as prompts for your clever little jokes.
It’s annoying and clearly motivated by self-interested.

13. Don’t speak.
Just stop talking for a while. Seriously. Let the silence make space for the other person to just BE.

14. Don’t impose your own structure.
Let the speaker pace the conversation.

15. Don’t fix.
That isn’t your job, and people don’t like to be “fixed.”

16. Don’t take too many notes.
Or else it will look like you’re too busy to listen.

17. Don’t ask, “Why?”
That word creates defensiveness.

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47 comments:

Regarding #16, I do take notes but I always ask permission first. I want them to know I'm listening but I also forget stuff if I don't write it down, and especially with my clients, it's really important to have some sort of record of what we talked about.

Scott, thanks for this post. Somehow I knew I was doing many of these things wrong, but be reading your post opened my eye by putting clear names to the mistakes I'm doing almost consistently.

I'll need to practice this "nice" listening. A lot.

Thanks!

Effective listening is something that has to be practiced in order to become successful. But oh so rewarding when mastered. You have covered everything in this post. Great job

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Hi Scott,
I was sent from Ter Scott's Listen Better Now Blog, http://listenbetternow.blogspot.com I enjoyed this article. I think #7 Don't Tell will be a great help in my career choice and I'll remember to use #15 Don't Fix, that will be anothers job.
Diane B., student, Oral Communications Summer Class

Hi Scott,
I ws sent from Ter Scott's Listen Better Now Blog. http://listenbetternow.blogspot.com I really ejoyed your article and found most of it new and interesting. Especially enjoyed #2 "Don't think" which is something I should practice more. Also, #6 "Don't take over." which I also have a tendency to do. Another one would be #15 "Don't Fix" I like things to run smooth for everyone and have a tendency to keep my fingers out of someone else's bowl, so to speak. Thank you for your article.
Tammie Mlodozyniec

Hi Scott, I really liked #1 Don't react and #17 Don't ask why. I think these suggestions could come in handy in my career choice. I was sent to your blog by Ter Scott from http://listenbetternow.blogspot.com/.

Hello Scott,
I found your blog through Ter Scott's site http://listenbetternow.blogspot.com

As a Business Major, the points I think I will have to remember to use the most is don't speak and don't fix. I will need to listen and it isn't my job or responsibility to fix what I perceive as problems of others.

Scott,
Sent from Ter Scott's Listen Better Blog http://listenbetternowblogspot.com
Those are great tips to help in learning how to communicate better. There are so many things on there that I do in a conversation that I never realized. Like don't give advice unless they ask for it. I am the type of person who always wants to help everybody. I frequently try to find a way to fix the situation or make it better. I need to just sit back and listen. I also need to let the other person give birth to their ideas and realizations. I try to finish the other person's sentence, especially with my boyfriend. Most of the time he is heading in a similar direction of what I'm thinking, but it's not the same. I do know I talk way too much. I am a server, and often have to make conversation. Thanks for all the help.

Hi Scott, I found your blog through Ter Scott's listen better now blog http://listenbetternow.blogspot.com

The two that i feel will help me in the future are numbers 1 and 17. The first one is especially important to work on for me because I do tend to react to whatever I am hearing. as for the last one, it will help me because I do question a lot of things I hear.

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I was sent from Ter Scott’s Listen Better New Blog http://listenbetternow.blogspot.com/om
I found your list very informative. In my career I would use #1 don't react and I wouldn't be judgemental I would respond coolly and objectively, I would also use #13 don't speak, I would listen more and learn more that way.

I agree with numbers, 2,5,6,8,13and 17. Sometimes it is a good thing to ask why! but after while you become like children, and ask why! all the time. Just take the information in and leave with it, if it's really not inportant to know why, then don't ask. Unless your at the Doctors office.


I was sent from Ter Scott.http://listenbetternow.blogspot.com/

Hi there,

I like the short and sweet version of what you are telling us. It is very easy to do many of these things and end up making a speech about you and not the speeker. It definately takes practice and self control to stop yourself from interrupting. Thank you for this, I have enjoyed it.

stephanie marlow, oral communications

http://listenbetternow.blogspot.com/

As a Business Major all of these are very useful but I feel that 12 and 14 will be very helpful to remember in the future.

Hi Scott,
I like your article, especially #15. Don't fix and #6. Don't take over. I believe #15 and #6 would help me a lot in my future career. I was sent from Ter Scott's Listen Better Now Blog http://listenbetternow.blogspot.com/
Megan Beck in Oral Communications

I was sent to your blog through Ter Scott's "Listen Better Now" (http://listenbetternow.blogspot.com/) and your article was one of two articles listed at the bottom his article that we were asked to read.

I have to say that I agree with you 100% when you say not to tell someone not to feel a certain way because that had happened too many times for me to count. I also agree with your advice not to one-up someone. I have someone I work with that if you have this or that, hers is bigger or better, or worse than yours.

Thanks for the reminder,
Heather M.

This article definitely made me realize what I do when I have a conversation with someone. Number two definitely is a big one for me. I believe in my future career choice, or really for any career it helps to just let the person talk and not think well how am going to respond to this? Just listening really can help you absorb the information properly. Also, number thirteen is important for getting the correct information, and not speaking when you really do not have to. This was a great article, and really opened up my eyes to my behaviors, and how to change them. This blog was sent to me by Ter Scott at : http://listenbetternow.blogspot.com/

Julia Werbelow - Oral Communications Class

I have to say that the two points that would help me most with any career would be: don't get bored, and don't take over. These would both help me because sometimes I have trouble focusing when a person is talking, and I focus so hard that I don't even listen to what they are saying and it is truly a bad habit. Second, I like to talk and so I have to try to not take over. I will test out both of these tips. I was sent here from Ter Scott's Listen Better Now Blog http://listenbetternow.blogspot.com/

I got this post from Ter Scott http://listenbetternow.blogspot.com/
I really like this list of what NOT to do.
My favorite is Don't react (react cooly) you don't want the person talking to think that what they are saying is "not of your taste." I also like Don't get bored. The last thing I want to be doing is talking about something to someone and feeling like they are bored. Even if I was bored, I would make sure my gestures does not give that away. I also like Don't take over and Don't give advice, when I talk to people and they try to put their own comments in and give advice I really don't want to hear it. Sometimes advice is nice but not all the time.
-Jennifer Borresch, Oral Communications

Hello Scott, your blog made me realize that boredom isn't a funny thing. It's been an excuse of mine for years. You have something to do but you get bored with what your doing so you give up. I had to give that up cause there is to much that needs to be done. Listening was an issue as well for a while but, now after learning more about what I really want ot do with my life it's gotten a lot easier to do. I guess the Medical Billing and Coding career I have choosen has no room for being stubborn, at all. I enjoyed the way that you broke it down in your having balls article very well put.
Thank You again for the insight.
Shannon Merritt Oral Communications

I was sent to your blog by Ter Scott's Listen Better Now Blog at http://listenbetternow.blogspot.com/. In my career of Medical Billing and Coding I would have to say that I will need to work on #1-Don't react. Many people will be upset and probably taking their frustration out on me so I will need to remain calm and cool in the face of some pretty angry people. I will have to use #16-Don't take too many notes. In this case I will likely be taking notes while I am on the phone so that the patient will not have to repeat themselves and I will let them know that I am jotting down the information and why I am doing so, this should lessen the possibility that they may feel that I am not paying full attention to them and their problems. #13-Don't speak. This is important to allow the person to finish what they are saying without interruptions and this lets the person know that what they are saying is important and that you want to hear everything they say.

Scott,
I like number 1. Don't react. Cause in my position as medical billing and coding when your talking to a customer in regards to a bill, you have to react calmly and don't be judgemental about anything. I also think #5 Don't get bored. I won't get bored in my position, cause it's a very interesting job and your always busy either on the computer entering in notes for bills, or talking to customers 8 hours a day.
Thanks
Diane C Oral Communications 2010
I was referred by Ter Scot
http://listenbetternow.blogspot.com

Hi, I was sent from Ter Scott http://listenbetternow.blogspot.com/
as I am in his Oral Communications class.
Two points that I especially agree with are to not one up the speaker. I have done this with friends in the past, and maybe even in the future, but I could not do this in a business environment. And to not show boredom, which can be a challenge for me because I tend to yawn alot anyway. So thanks for the tips and hopefully I can put them to goo use.

Good day to you sir!

Hello,
I was sent here by Ter Scott http://listenbetternow.blogspot.com/. I have to say that in my career in the business field, all of these tips would help me out greatly. I will have to say that some specific ones would be Don't Take Over, and Don't Get Bored. I think that with my career choice it will be hard to not want to talk during the conversation because people will be coming to me for things. And not getting bored will be something that I will have to pay attention to because I will probably hear a lot of the same things and will need to make sure to still pay close attention each time.

Becky Poverud

Hello, Scott. I was sent here from Ter Scott's Listen Better Now Blog
. I think your article was great. I really connected with #2 Don't think, and #15 Don't fix. I am listening but not as well as I should, because as soon as I know the person is talking, I feel I have to come up with a solution for them. I am going to work on being a better listener, and your article will definitly help me. Thanks, Ostara

scott,
Im glad I was sent from Ter Scotts Listen Better Now blog http://listenbetternow.blogspot.com
you have alot of good points. I like how you say don't get bored. Many people tend to stop listening to someone just because they get bored with what they are saying or because they are trying to remember what they have to say about it. Also not to take over is a great point, people also tend to get bored and want to either talk about something they like more or get some words in so they interupt and take over the conversation.
Misty Hannahs Oral Communications

Hi Scott,
I was sent by Ter Scott at http://listenbetternoe.blogspot.com/
I really like #4 Don't tell someone not to feel a cretain way. I don't lik it when they do it to why would I do that to them. On #13 Don't speak let the other person talk when they get done you can then talk cause if you interuped them you might not get the hole story. On #6 Don't take over. Thank you I am really going to use these tips.

Hi,
Ter Scott at http://listenbetternow.blogspot.com
suggested I read your article. You make very interesting points. I like #2-not labeling just perceiving, #8-I do not give advise unless asked (except to my kids), #16-Not taking too many notes, and #17-Do not ask why. All good point,s thank you.
Linda J
Oral Communications
Winter 2011

Ter Scott at http://listenbetternow.blogspot.com
suggested I read your article. I like #2-Don't think just perceive, no lables, #8-I don't offer adivise unless asked (except for to my kids), #16-don't take too many notes, #17-don't ask why. You have execlent points, thank you.
Linda J
Oral Communications
Winter 20100

I find several of these tips especially helpful for me as I work my way up the ladder at work and towards my career. "dont react" is a biggy for me. I am definitely a reacter with thin skin who easily gets defensive. I need to practice responding in a cool manner. Another helpful tip is "Dont think". I am also a thinker, constantly analyzing and interpreting everything. I really need to focus on not reading more into things than is there. And finally, "Don't take too many notes" hits home especially at work. I am a note taker. Ironically I find it annoying when others jot down everything I say and yet I do it too. I will be more sensitive to this issue now. Ter Scott at http://listenbetternow.blogspot.com/ mentioned this article as a helpful tool in my oral communications development. I am glad I read it. Thanks again!

Elaine Wiggins

Scott, Thank You for the article. I agree with you on #4 Dont tell someone not to feel a certain way. They have all the right in the world to feel how they are feeling at the moment. Also on #11, Dont one up. I know too many people that do this and I find it discouraging when I am trying to talk to someone and they disregard what I am saying.
Thanks again Scott!

Scott,
I forgot to mention that Ter Scott sent me to your article from his blog http://listenbetternow.blogspot.com

Hi Ter Scott at
http://listenbetternow.blogspot.com suggested I read your article. You raise good points. I like #2- Don't think, just perceive, take it in without lables, #8-Don't give advice, Idon't give advice (except for my kids and they don't count)unless asked, #16-Don't take too many notes, #17-Don't ask why.

Hi Ter Scott at http://listenbetternow.blogspot.com suggest I read your article. You raise good points I like #2-Don't think, just perceive, take it in without lables, #8-Don't give advice, I don't give advice (expect to my kids and they dont't count)unless asked. #16-Don't take too many notes, #17-Don't ask why. Thank you for the interesting article.
Linda j
Oral Communications
Winter 2011

Hi Scott:

I thought that the content of your article was very enlightening. I found many of your points will be useful in the career choice I have made. They are as follows: Don't react, Don't think, Don't tell someone not to feel a certain way, Don't take over, Don't tell and Don't speak. In the career choice I have chosen, I will have to deal with people on a daily basis and try to handle some very touchy subjects and will need to learn to be a great and effective listener. Thanks to your article, you have given me some tips on how to try and accomplish that.

I was sent to your article from Ter Scott's Listen Better Now Blog
http://listenbetternow.blogspot.com/

Scott,
I must say that your article was very enlightening. I found that many of your points will come in handy in my career choice, they are: Don't react, Don't think, Don't tell someone not to feel a certain way, Don't take over, Don't tell and Don't speak. In my career choice I will have to deal with people on a daily basis with some touchy subjects and I am going to have to learn to be a good and effective listener in order to help and not hinder the process. Thank you so much for input on how to do this.

I was sent to your article from Ter Scott's Listen Better now Blog

Your advice was great pointers for my career. I would like to comment on two of your comments and how I can use these in my career.
1. Don’t take over Instead, take IN the other person: This is important to me because if I were to take over the conversation how would I learn anything. Listening is very important in order to complete your job in the manner your boss wants it done. It is important to ask questions but at the appropriate time.
2. Don’t take too many notes Or else it will look like you’re too busy to listen: I am a note taker in fact I like to take notes for everything that is being talked about. Although I never gave it thought it may look as if I was not listening. I must be very careful when taking notes and to make sure the person talking to me fully understands I like to take notes for it helps me in the future if I were to forget something.
Thank you for your great advice! I want you to know I was sent from Ter Scott http://listenbetternow.blogspot.com/ .

I really loved what you said about not telling somebody how to feel and not telling them what to do, These things really irriate me when people use them so then I therefor do the oppisite. They will help me in my career feild because id never want to say something that I wouldnt want to be told myself. I was sent to your page by Ter Scott at http://listenbetternow.blogspot.com/

I am sorry for this being sent to you. I am haveing problems posting to blogs and was doing a test run so my teacher, Ter Scott could better help me.

Scott,
I enjoyed your article. I will especially use #2 in my future because I have a tendency to overanalyze everything that is said to me and that I say. I also liked #15, Don't fix, I always dislike when someone tries to fix my problems, when in reality I just need to talk it out, so I will remember this for others in my career as well.
Ter Scott (http://listenbetternow.blogspot.com/) suggested your article to me.

Hi,
I would say "Don't react but don't over-react." I know people who won't tell someone something because they are afraid of the reaction they will receive. If you want to be approachable, you have to respond in a way that invites people to share with you.
Secondly, I always give advice. However, I really don't care if they take my advice or not. Sometimes, people just want to vent. Maybe they are just looking for ideas. If one thing or nothing of my advice works for them, that is fine with me. I like people to do the same for me. For me, it is an exchange of ideas. Maybe the direct approach would be better. Just ask if they are looking for my advice. That would give them an opportunity to state that upfront. It would also let me know they don't want to hear what I have to say! I can see there are quite a few things I can improve on from this article! Thanks!

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I liked reading this article, it was very interesting to learn what not to do when trying to be a good listener. I think that don't tell someone how to feel is very important because people should be able to feel how they want. And not to take too many notes is also something that I took because I am someone that likes to take notes but I suppose the more notes you take the less you are actually learning because you are paying more attention writing then listening. Thank you for sharing this article, I was recommended by my teacher Ter Scott; http://listenbetternow.blogspot.com

Hi Scott,
I really liked some of your points in this article. All of them are good but the ones that stuck out at me were #1 I don't like to judge people before I know their story and all of what they have to say, #8 Unless someone asks me for advice I don't like to give it because I could be wrong and give the person the wrong advice. #11 Don't one up, I say this because I've had people do this to me and it gets frustrating when you are trying to tell a story or something that happened to you and the person who is supposed to be listening comes back with a story about them, and #12 Don't use the other person's comments as prompts for you clever little jokes. I think this is rude, and I'm sure I have done it and so have other people but you want to show someone else respect and not do this. These will aid me in my career choice. Ter Scott at I also think that the "Series of 3" would be something I want to try sometime, I think it would help with the learning to listen with our mind which I feel sometimes I'm not good at at all. Thank you for sharing these.

I appreciated reading your points for effective listening. It was very helpful to read them in a concise manner that is easy to understand and put to use. #2 applies to me because I tend to greatly overanalyze things that are being said to me. #6 I find especially important because this has happened to me time and again where someone has taken over a conversation we were having. #13 is also very important and I will remember it in future conversations. I need to be silent and let the other person say their piece before saying mine.
Ter Scott at http://listenbetternow.blogspot.com/ suggested that I look at this article.